• Has Iran been defeated?

    From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Mar 22 11:06:29 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    22 Jun 70 04:25, you wrote to me:

    A year ago, Trump said that Iran's nuclear facilities were
    "obliterated" Their ability to make nuclear weapons was
    "set back
    years"

    It's been a year and he underestimated the rebuild time.

    Or he lied. Most independent organizations/governments agreed
    that it hadn't done much to hamper Iran's nuclear ambitions.

    If someone gives an estimate of "years" and it turns out to be "a
    year" I don't consider that lying.


    Except it wasn't a year. it was "months" less than 9 months, to be precise.



    Biden said that he'd cure cancer if he became president. Was that
    Democrat lying? Obama said that he'd make healthcare affordable for
    all Americans. Was that Democrat lying?


    Trump has also said he'd "cure cancer". Lying? no. Overambitious? yes. neither claimed to have done such a thing.


    And Obama said he'd make healthcare *more* affordable for all Americans. I'd go so far as to say he did so.

    (The "If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" statement though. ick. While he was a bit more optimistic about that when he intially said it, it turned out that was absollutely not true. Even he has admitted he dropped the ball on that one)


    You've got to give Trump some time. If it turns out that there was no
    such enrichment facility in Iran, then you get the right to call him a liar.


    No, Trump said he "obliterated" Iran's ability to enrich nuclear material. he said their ability was "set back years"

    Then, 9 months later he said the attacks were necessary to destroy nuclear sites that were working on enriching nuclear fuel. You know, the sites that were "obliterated" less than a year before.

    He either lied last year, or he lied this year.

    Or, as I said, it's far more likely he lied both times.


    Even his own administration can't get their messaging straight when talking about the reasons for attacking Iran.

    Gas prices have risen $0.25-$0.30 per gallon for regular each week for the last month. That means gas prices are over $1 more today than they were 4 weeks ago.

    I drove up to Hayward a little over a month ago. It cost me around $55 to fill my tank up from empty to full. Today it would cost me $80. It's rising faster than it did in early 2022, where it peaked at over $5 a gallon.

    And it's all because Donnie, the "president of peace", Mr "end the forever wars" got goaded into starting a new nation-building forever-war in Iran becasue he's easily manipulated. Tell him he has to do something to "appear tough" and he'll do it.




    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/100 to Mike Miller on Mon Mar 23 00:08:16 2026
    Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Mike Miller to Aaron Thomas on Sun Mar 22 2026 11:06 am

    Except it wasn't a year. it was "months" less than 9 months, to be precise.

    Think of it like this: When police estimate the street value of drugs, they are always way off, even though they have undercover officers who make drug buys. Part of the reason for that is they have no clue about wholesale pricing or what kind of deal the suspect got on it.

    So how is Trump supposed to know how long it will take Iran to rebuild their nuclear weapons? He estimated. Only Rainman would say "This sets them back 973.2 days, 4 hours, and 7 minutes."

    Trump has also said he'd "cure cancer". Lying? no. Overambitious? yes.

    I'm a huge Trump fan and I never heard him say that he's going to "cure cancer." You are also the first socialist to ever say anything about it. Where's the video?

    Gas prices have risen $0.25-$0.30 per gallon for regular each week for the last month. That means gas prices are over $1 more today than they were 4 weeks ago.

    The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters are sorry that you're paying so much for your gas.
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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Max Stubbs on Mon Mar 23 02:29:06 2026
    On Thu 19-Mar-2026 5:24a, Max Stubbs@1:103/705.0 said to Aaron Thomas:
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeate
    By: Aaron Thomas to Max Stubbs on Wed Mar 18 2026 02:35 pm

    sh!t out of Iran" back in 2015. Food
    prices are down. Illegal immigrants

    Oh are they down? You might want to
    double check that, Fox Business
    seems to disagree on that. Y'all
    gonna learn the hard way, as ever.
    Just like the last time.

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    LOL. Must not pay too much attention to the prices at the supermarket.

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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Ron L. on Mon Mar 23 02:36:06 2026
    On Fri 20-Mar-2026 7:22a, Ron L.@1:120/616.0 said to Aaron Thomas:
    "Max" (I doubt that's his real name - he's probably one of the other Lefties we
    haven't seen in a while under a new name) has obviously been programmed with
    the same stuff that the other Leftoids have been.

    Ahh yes. There you two go again... If we don't agree with your narrow world view as told by the Trump administration and MAGA, we are "Lefties", and must be running around with our sock puppets.

    Don't know what inflation, illegals, and Biden have to do with 'Has Iran been defeated.", but one thing is for sure, your Dear Leader certainly let Isreal push him into the deep end. Kind of like how the previous administrations anti communist paranoiaa nd the military industrial complex pressured Johnson into Viet Nam..

    Those who don't understand history are bound to repeat it.

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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Mar 23 02:43:06 2026
    On Fri 20-Mar-2026 1:06p, Aaron Thomas@1:342/201.0 said to Kurt Weiske:

    It's safe to eat eggs from chickens that have the flu. It's also safe to eat

    While it may be "SAFE" to eat the eggs of chicken infected with avian flu, that does not negate the reason infected roosts are culled.

    The primary reason is to prevent the mutation of the virus into a form that readily infects humans (Rememeber that poor bat in the wet market of Wuhan.)?

    It also prevents the spread of the virus into non infected avian populations, thus doing naturally what culling didn't IE killing the chickens..

    I know that is hard for your MAGA RFK addled brain to handle, but there it is...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/100 to Brent Hendricks on Mon Mar 23 08:45:05 2026
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Brent Hendricks to Aaron Thomas on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:43 am

    While it may be "SAFE" to eat the eggs of chicken infected with avian flu, that does not negate the reason infected roosts are culled.

    The primary reason is to prevent the mutation of the virus into a form that readily infects humans (Rememeber that poor bat in the wet market of Wuhan.)?
    It also prevents the spread of the virus into non infected avian populations, thus doing naturally what culling didn't IE killing the chickens..

    The part that you don't get is that your friends are the reason for the unprecedented bird flu in the first place. Please, next time there's a Democrat president, tell your friends at the bio labs to knock it off.
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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Mar 23 11:13:05 2026

    Hello Aaron!

    30 Jun 70 07:48, you wrote to me:

    Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Mike Miller to Aaron Thomas on Sun Mar 22 2026 11:06 am

    Except it wasn't a year. it was "months" less than 9 months, to
    be precise.

    Think of it like this: When police estimate the street value of drugs, they are always way off, even though they have undercover officers who make drug buys. Part of the reason for that is they have no clue about wholesale pricing or what kind of deal the suspect got on it.

    So how is Trump supposed to know how long it will take Iran to rebuild their nuclear weapons? He estimated. Only Rainman would say "This sets them back 973.2 days, 4 hours, and 7 minutes."


    Good, I'm glad we agree that he lied when he said it was "obliterated" and their nuclear program was set back "years".


    Trump has also said he'd "cure cancer". Lying? no.
    Overambitious? yes.

    I'm a huge Trump fan and I never heard him say that he's going to
    "cure cancer." You are also the first socialist to ever say anything
    about it. Where's the video?

    During his campagin launch "rally" in 2020 he said it.

    also, there's this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/unlocking-cures-for-pediatric-cancer-with-artificial-intelligence/


    Gas prices have risen $0.25-$0.30 per gallon for regular each week
    for the last month. That means gas prices are over $1 more today
    than they were 4 weeks ago.

    The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters are sorry that you're paying so much
    for your gas.

    Careful Aaron, someone might confuse you for a bleeding-heart liberal if you keep talking that way.

    The NYT reports that 2000 people have been killed since the US and Israel started bombing them. I guess more dead iranians is better?

    oh and at least 10% of that figure is children.



    Mike


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Mar 23 10:02:31 2026
    Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Mike Miller on Mon Mar 23 2026 12:08 am

    The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters ar
    sorry that you're paying so much for
    your gas.

    Those protesters are also sorry that
    your president replaced 1 dictator with
    the worse version of the same dictator,
    when he wasn't even the favored option
    prior to killing his daddy. Real
    successful operation by the
    "liberator," everybody clap.


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Brent Hendricks on Mon Mar 23 10:07:57 2026
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Brent Hendricks to Ron L. on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:36 am

    Ahh yes. There you two go again...
    If we don't agree with your narrow
    world view as told by the Trump
    administration and MAGA, we are
    "Lefties", and must be running aroun
    with our sock puppets.

    To be fair, I AM a lefty :) Got me a
    DSA card and all. Though my attention
    is not on helping the DSA at the
    moment; I've been doing small things
    to help out various veteran-run
    activist groups to push back against
    this admin. I was actually in DC
    where I met up with FLARE and we
    lobbied Congress at their offices.
    My group mostly just caught staffers,
    but in general we were visiting both
    parties and lobbying for impeachement.

    Then Trump bombed Iran that exact
    evening.




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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Miller on Mon Mar 23 15:45:22 2026
    During his campagin launch "rally" in 2020 he said it.

    also, there's this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/unlocking-cures-fo atric-cancer-with-artificial-intelligence/

    He still has time to do it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Max Stubbs on Mon Mar 23 16:07:20 2026
    The 7000+ dead Iranian protesters ar
    sorry that you're paying so much for
    your gas.

    Those protesters are also sorry that
    your president replaced 1 dictator with
    the worse version of the same dictator,
    when he wasn't even the favored option
    prior to killing his daddy. Real
    successful operation by the
    "liberator," everybody clap.

    You're ignoring Iranians on video cheering the death of Khamenei, and you're putting words in the mouths of 7000+ dead people. There's a word for that but I won't say it because you seem like a pretty good guy.

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  • From Brent Hendricks@1:135/250 to Max Stubbs on Mon Mar 23 14:01:25 2026
    On Mon 23-Mar-2026 10:07a, Max Stubbs@1:103/705.0 said to Brent Hendricks:
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Brent Hendricks to Ron L. on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:36 am

    Ahh yes. There you two go again...
    If we don't agree with your narrow
    world view as told by the Trump
    administration and MAGA, we are
    "Lefties", and must be running aroun
    with our sock puppets.

    To be fair, I AM a lefty :) Got me a
    DSA card and all.

    Not the point I was trying to make, there are several people in this group that no matter what evidence or sources your bring to the table that calls into question the rhetoric they spew, they come back with the same lines everytime.

    I could care less what side of the political pendulum you have planted yourself on, if I have information that calls that into question, I will fairely debate you on it.

    Arlo Guthrie said it best. " You can find that you have more in common with people on the opposite side of an issue than you think."

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Mar 24 09:30:16 2026
    On 23 Mar 2026, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    He still has time to do it.


    And... Trump 2028!!!!

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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Mar 25 07:20:48 2026
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Aaron Thomas to Max Stubbs on Mon Mar 23 2026 04:07 pm

    You're ignoring Iranians on video
    cheering the death of Khamenei, and
    you're putting words in the mouths o
    7000+ dead people. There's a word fo
    that but I won't say it because you
    seem like a pretty good guy.

    I'm not ignoring them at all. But where
    are those people now? Trump was not
    trying to and has not attempted to
    help those people, who we can agree
    are justly against a Theocracy. He
    has set them back not helped them.

    And say what you want, I won't hold it
    against you outside of this board. I
    will rise to the same level you may,
    though, I believe in climbing the
    escalation ladder.


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  • From Max Stubbs@1:103/705 to Brent Hendricks on Wed Mar 25 07:27:09 2026
    Re: Re: Has Iran been defeated?
    By: Brent Hendricks to Max Stubbs on Mon Mar 23 2026 02:01 pm

    I could care less what side of the
    political pendulum you have planted
    yourself on, if I have information t
    calls that into question, I will
    fairely debate you on it.

    Fuckin AMEN brother, that's what I like
    to hear. Have principles, fight for
    them, adjust as you learn, and always
    be critical when you know you must.

    It's how we grow, it's how democracy
    functions, and how we reach consensus
    we can all live with.

    My fight with MAGA, beyond the lack
    of human empathy, has primarily been
    driven by my perception that they
    have generally entirely abandoned
    our foundational value of
    enlightenment era democratic
    principles, and I cannot abide that.

    There are other issues beyond that,
    but if an American refuses to believe
    in our national ethos, you cease being
    an American to me. As for non
    Americans, it's a matter of having
    quality back and forth that's
    productive.

    So rock on and stay Metal brother!



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Max Stubbs on Wed Mar 25 21:57:46 2026
    You're ignoring Iranians on video
    cheering the death of Khamenei, and
    you're putting words in the mouths o
    7000+ dead people. There's a word fo
    that but I won't say it because you
    seem like a pretty good guy.

    I'm not ignoring them at all. But where
    are those people now? Trump was not
    trying to and has not attempted to
    help those people, who we can agree
    are justly against a Theocracy. He
    has set them back not helped them.

    After the genocide, Trump deployed the USS Lincoln, an aircraft carrier, a combat ship, a destroyer, and said to the Iranian people "Help is on the way." We have at least 4 reasons to attack Iran and payback for all those deaths falls somewhere on the list.

    How does what Trump's doing help the regime? How does it hurt the 7000 people who died? Did they want Trump to send a planeload of cash to the regime instead?

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